April 30
2019
April 30
2019
Why is This Happening with Chris Hayes
with
Chris Hayes, Michael Lewis
Chris Hayes interviews Michael Lewis about his book The Fifth Risk, using the Trump transition and early administration to explore what federal agencies and civil servants actually do and why their work is largely invisible until it breaks. They frame government as a system for managing low-probability, high-impact risks—from nuclear security and weather forecasting to consumer protection—and discuss how neglect, ideological sabotage, and conflicted appointees can quietly raise those dangers while the public mostly experiences bureaucracy as frustrating “red tape.” The conversation also argues that the absence of immediate catastrophe can normalize incompetence, even as long-horizon threats like climate change demand precisely the kind of expert, mission-driven governance being undermined.