00:02 JVL Hello, everyone. 00:03 This is JVL here with my best friend, Sarah Longwell, publisher of The Bulwark. 00:08 We're doing a speed show this week because there is a lot to do and we had to go late today and there are a million things going on and we're on a tight timeline. 00:19 But first, Sarah, we're going to Minneapolis. 00:23 Sarah Longwell We're going to Minneapolis. 00:24 JVL Tickets are on sale now. 00:26 We are going to be there on February 19th. 00:29 It's going to be you, me, Bill, Sam, maybe more people. 00:33 Tim. 00:34 Tim. 00:35 Tim. 00:36 That guy. 00:36 Obviously. 00:39 All profits from the show. 00:40 Going to go to a great local charity, Second Harvest Heartland, which helps feed people in the Twin Cities area. 00:49 Very important because a lot of people can't leave their homes. 00:52 And a lot of people are losing their businesses because, you know, nobody else can leave their homes. 00:59 It's great. 01:00 Anyway, we're very happy to try to help. 01:04 And we hope that if you're in the area and you can come out, you do. 01:08 It's going to be great. 01:08 A lot of laughs. 01:10 It's going to be a real... 01:13 Sarah Longwell I don't know if it'll be the most uplifting show, but it is important to us to feel like we're showing up. 01:20 JVL Yeah. 01:21 It feels like the least we can do. 01:24 Because we're so fucking proud of all the people in Minneapolis. 01:28 They've been amazing. 01:30 The best of us. 01:31 Okay. 01:32 So the regime arrested its first journalist this morning. 01:36 I saw you do a take with Sam and Catherine on it. 01:40 You were great. 01:43 You were in full Righteous Fury mode more than the two actual long-time journalists. 01:49 I loved that. 01:51 Sarah Longwell Yeah, I think part of it is... 01:54 We are starting to really feel the targeting of all kinds of people. 02:00 You know, like, it is quick. 02:02 Like, red lines are being crossed left and right. 02:05 And I do think there are, you know, I'm not... 02:09 I'm not exactly somebody who thinks that everything's a distraction from everything else. 02:13 I do think what it is though, is they like to stay on offense and they like us all marching to their beat, right? 02:22 They put a lot more quarters in the machine and they keep the outrageous flowing and it's tough. 02:28 You know, it's, 02:29 Sure, it's a lot of stuff you can talk about on podcasts, but for a country, it makes it deeply difficult, right? 02:35 This is how the authoritarians exhaust you. 02:37 I sort of end every show that we do talking about how authoritarians want us tired, and this is how they make us tired. 02:44 And this is also part of chilling civic spaces, right? 02:49 They do not want people like us. 02:51 I think part of the reason maybe I'm angrier is that 02:54 or I don't know if it's that I was angry or Sam was really angry. 02:57 You know me. 02:57 I just, I was like wound up. 02:59 Um, sort of it's cause I know Don Lemon. 03:01 Um, and like I said on the thing, like, I don't think they should have gone into that church. 03:04 I think it's wrong to go into churches. 03:06 Um, that being said, uh, 03:09 Like, that sort of doesn't negate at all. 03:14 Like, he is a journalist who went and covered them. 03:18 And, you know, if they've got evidence that, you know, he organized it, even then, like, they were already... 03:25 Okay, so I'm not a lawyer. 03:26 Not a lawyer. 03:27 But they had already... 03:29 decided who they were arresting in this, and they did not specifically, they specifically did not do Don Lemon and his producers, conceivably because they were journalists that were there covering it, interviewing people. 03:44 Now, 03:47 And so I do need a lawyer, I think, to parse out, because church is private property. 03:53 If you're asked to leave, you are trespassing. 03:55 This government that is lying about everything and who is trying to arrest people 04:02 like they're doing the Don Lemon thing as performance art, right? 04:07 It is about making us scared. 04:09 And so I think the reason I'm so hot is that I just want to make sure that everyone hears me clearly about this should have the opposite effect. 04:17 This should have the opposite effect of making people scared. 04:21 JVL It should, it won't though. 04:24 You saw Pam Bondi's, she described what Don Lemon did as being part of a quote, coordinated attack. 04:33 And again, it's just wild the way language is perverted so that the people who defend the January 6th insurrection as being totally peaceful and defend the ICE murders of Americans as being like patriotic law enforcement, 04:49 They then turn around and say that a guy like Don Lemon or Renee Good, right? 04:55 He's doing a coordinated attack and Renee Good and Alex Breddy are domestic terrorists. 05:00 Like it's like living in the upside down. 05:04 Sarah Longwell Yeah, this is just about going after people who are critical of them. 05:08 Like this is the third world country stuff. 05:10 Yeah. 05:11 Jail reporters who are being critical of the regime. 05:15 JVL Or Russia. 05:16 It's Russia. 05:17 This is Putinism. 05:18 And then on top of it, you see the tweeting, and then the White House is tweeting about it. 05:22 I am sorry. 05:23 Sarah Longwell This is one of the reasons I was so mad. 05:26 They tweeted out a picture from the White House of Don Lemon with a chains emoji. 05:32 This is psychotic behavior. 05:35 It is the behavior of people who don't even want to maintain the slightest facade of abiding by Putinism. 05:43 the accepted rules of engagement in a free society. 05:48 JVL I mean, here's why I think it'll work, because Don Lemon will probably be okay. 05:53 I hope Don Lemon will be okay, because he has a lot of visibility. 05:57 He has connections. 05:59 He'll be able to raise a ton of money for the best legal defense. 06:03 The legal system, as far as we can tell, from the magistrate judge who refused to accept a criminal complaint, the appeals court judge, which upheld that objection, the career prosecutors. 06:14 Crosstalk The Bush-appointed judge. 06:15 JVL Right, who have been saying, I'm not touching this shit. 06:18 I think he'll be okay. 06:20 But Georgia Fort, who is a local independent journalist, is not super famous and may not. 06:26 Do you see what I'm saying? 06:28 At the very top, people can be like, okay, well, hopefully the system will work and these people have access to capital and ways to support themselves while the system is working. 06:40 But you move down the line to a local reporter or photographer. 06:46 That's a much heavier burden for them. 06:49 And that's what worries make. 06:51 Sarah Longwell Yeah, I do think that there's not a jury that would convict these people. 06:58 But that's not the point, right? 07:00 That's not the point of what they're doing. 07:01 They knew they couldn't get a conviction, very likely on Comey or on Tish James. 07:06 But they did it anyway. 07:07 And here's the thing. 07:08 To your point about hypocrisy, I mean, the hypocrisy... 07:13 It is staggering, overwhelming in every way you can think of. 07:16 They celebrate not just Kyle Rittenhouse who shows up with an AR-15 to a protest and kills people. 07:23 That is where you get a visit from the president. 07:25 You get photo ops with President Trump if you do that. 07:29 If you are this Nick Shirley guy who showed up also to a private place where there's a lot of little kids and filmed them saying that you're an independent journalist. 07:39 And this is... 07:39 I was trying to... 07:41 I mean, this is what we're going to have to make it a speed round because we could make a whole meal out of the discussion of like private property versus and like when children are president and how people deal with these things. 07:52 But like the basics are this administration is in no way acting in good faith on any of it. 07:59 And they're like they're lying. 08:01 We're in the middle of them lying about Alex Petty. 08:03 We're in the middle of this is I just wanted to do today like a segment. 08:08 Just go fast and it just be excuse me. 08:10 If your kids are listening, turn the volume down. 08:13 But I just wanted to do a segment that was just like, fuck off, where we go through all of things. 08:18 Like, we've got Tulsi Gabbard, who is the director of national intelligence, who is supposed to deal with foreign adversaries. 08:27 JVL And they can't trust her with Venezuela. 08:29 Sarah Longwell Yeah, they've sidelined her on that. 08:31 So instead, they've got her... 08:34 seizing the boxes out of Fulton County because they want to relitigate the lies they told in 2020 about the election being stolen. 08:41 And everybody's just going to roll their eyes at that one. 08:43 JVL But it is still insane. 08:46 Sarah Longwell You do have a theory? 08:47 JVL A conspiracy theory. 08:48 I have a crazy theory. 08:50 Sarah Longwell I want it. 08:51 JVL my crazy theory is that nicolas maduro is going to at some point provide testimony that yes he did interfere with the 2020 election and this is then going to be used as pretense for all sorts of shenanigans and attempts to that maduro interfered against trump yeah why would he have done that 09:15 Well, this is part of the, like, the Hugo Chavez, Ghost of Hugo Chavez. 09:18 This is part of the narrative has been that Maduro was in league with the Bidens. 09:25 Oh, I see. 09:25 Sarah Longwell You think that's what they're going to trade for, like, they'll let him go if he says he interfered in the election? 09:32 JVL It'll be like the, you know, Ghislaine Maxwell trade. 09:35 It'll be, you know, like, we can work something out here. 09:39 And that that will then be used as, we'll see, we were right about everything. 09:43 And CBS News will have two people on, one of whom disagrees and one of whom agrees. 09:50 And 4% of the country will be like, I just don't even know what to think anymore. 09:55 It's all very bad. 09:58 Like very, very, very bad. 10:00 And fuck. 10:03 Like I don't even know what more to say about it. 10:06 Sarah Longwell The way I don't like people going into churches is the same way I don't like that Nick Shirley went into these like childcare facilities. 10:15 But like, I don't think he should go to jail for it. 10:17 I don't think he should be prosecuted for it. 10:20 You know? 10:20 And so like the idea that they would prosecute Don Lemon for the same, like every, 10:25 coordinated yeah they have weaponized the doj fully to have pam bondy tweeting about don lemon right now like it's hard to explain how not well people here on listening know this how not like america this is it's america now but can i just say something too and you can at some point you just talk and make me stop here but like the thing that i keep thinking about 10:53 is Alex Preddy and Renee Good and the looks on their faces right before they got shot or like the way that they were behaving right before they got shot, which is that neither of them thought that they would be shot, right? 11:07 Like you can see the belief existing in them still that this is not a country where they would be executed for protesting. 11:18 JVL Sure is. 11:19 We all know better now. 11:21 So I did a little interview with Radley Balco yesterday. 11:24 I'm sure you didn't watch it because nobody watched it. 11:28 Nobody watched it. 11:29 The lowest rated video I've done in months. 11:32 Really made me angry because it was pretty good. 11:34 Made me angry because it's my fault. 11:35 Bradley's really smart and people should listen to him. 11:39 But I, you know, I just asked him, I was like, so have you noticed that when, like if one protester like Alex Preddy has a gun, 11:50 then, you know, they'll get executed on the street. 11:53 But if a lot of protesters have guns and I, cause I went back and I looked at the video of the Michigan protest from April of 2020. 12:01 Sarah Longwell I posted this thread about all the guns they've been bringing. 12:05 JVL You know, there was a lot of pushing and jostling of state troopers as they were trying to break into the house floor, the state house floor. 12:13 I mean, by the standards which have been established, 12:18 the state police should have opened up on everybody there, right? 12:23 Wouldn't they have reasonable fear for their lives? 12:27 And I, again, I look back at that protest and I think to myself, that's great policing. 12:37 Here you have a really dangerous situation and the state police in Michigan, who I don't know anything about. 12:43 I don't know if the state police in Michigan are good or bad, but on that particular day, those particular officers did a great job making sure that everybody was kept safe and nothing turned into a bloodbath, which is what, what police are supposed to do. 12:57 The problem is that then created a whole set of perverse incentives. 13:04 for both law enforcement and for people on the right to believe that like, oh, well, we can do anything and they're not allowed to touch us. 13:15 And then law enforcement thinking that other parts of law enforcement like ICE and whatnot that, well, fuck, they can do anything they want. 13:22 They just got to say, oh, reasonable fear for my life. 13:27 Just saying, leads to a dark place. 13:30 Sarah Longwell So I don't know if you know this yet, but I did a take with Tim that I don't think is up yet. 13:35 This is kind of like a mini focus group episode, but my team and I did 14 cops. 13:43 JVL I heard you talk about it, but I haven't seen it. 13:46 Sarah Longwell Yeah, so we did two groups. 13:47 We did a group of cops who voted for Harris, cops that voted for Trump. 13:51 And I don't – you can go watch the video with Tim for like – you can hear the sound. 13:55 You can hear us sort of break down. 13:59 But I will say that across the board, there were sort of – I mean way more – I mean in the Harris group – 14:08 they were like bereft. 14:10 They were brokenhearted. 14:12 They were taking it, you know, they were like, it's making me less safe in my job to have people behaving this way because then people lump us all together. 14:22 And just like, they were very much putting themselves in the shoes of the rights of the individuals that 14:31 They had a much more like servant, like we're there to protect people mentality, whereas the Trump cops, although none of them said would say that the pretty shooting was justified. 14:42 They didn't say it was unjustified. 14:43 They were much more like wait and see. 14:44 They did think that the administration coming out. 14:48 Well, they did think the administration coming out and immediately saying he was a domestic terrorist or because he had a gun like that that was wrong. 14:56 But they're, they, they did do a much more, um, you know, we appreciate that the administration has the back of cops. 15:03 Like we want people to, whereas the, the Harris group was like, Kristi Noem should be gone. 15:09 Uh, like they, they, they are, they are lying. 15:11 She's a clown. 15:12 She shot a dog. 15:14 There was just a real, like, get her out of there. 15:16 They were also like, we need to get ice. 15:19 But across the board, I would say the things that they did have in common were the idea that training matters a great deal. 15:26 And they're worried about the level of training. 15:30 I mean, in the Harris cop group, they were like... 15:34 these people are completely untrained versus the Trump one where they were like, they were kind of grappling with the level of training, but they did talk a lot about how important training was and like 15:47 the idea that you should spend a lot of time policing before you're put into these incredibly high stress situations because you have to like be able to manage your stress in those. 15:57 I also just wanna briefly talk about the, like the Trump cops brought up a lot of the second video that has come out of Preddie where he kicks the tail light out. 16:08 Which you see a lot of sort of the anti anti types or the using as evidence that he was an agitator. 16:15 I looked at that and I was like, oh, so here he is behaving considerably more aggressively than he is at the point at which he got shot. 16:26 And not only did those like he didn't get shot. 16:30 They didn't shoot him. 16:31 They shoved him to the ground. 16:32 They did like they had an altercation with him, but they didn't feel the need to shoot him. 16:36 So to me, the evidence is actually these guys don't need to be pulling their guns out, you know, dropping 10 rounds into somebody just because they're protesting aggressively. 16:48 JVL To me, it raises the question of, huh, I wonder if these officers carried a grudge against this guy. 16:55 Sarah Longwell Yeah, I mean, the Trump cops in the group were asking that, like, not did he have a grudge, but like, kind of, did they recognize him? 17:05 JVL No, the cops. 17:06 Did the cops recognize him? 17:06 Did they, right? 17:07 Did they just decide, ugh, this guy, he's the worst. 17:13 Sarah Longwell Yeah. 17:16 JVL So I guess Trump changing tacts, really, it's really, it's all gotten better. 17:22 Do you remember that, where we had... 17:24 48 hours, 36 hours of all that news coverage that was like, Trump looks to deescalate. 17:30 And yeah, not so much. 17:33 Sarah Longwell Yeah. 17:33 I mean, he's tweeting this morning. 17:34 Uh, they said something really, you know, idiotic, like, uh, his, his stock has gone way down. 17:42 Now that we see what, you know, what an agitator he was. 17:45 Uh, I don't know, man, uh, the, uh, 17:52 It's all together. 17:53 And then, and then I don't know if you've seen, but the, the Epstein files now miraculously after weeks and weeks of not being, but out suddenly, uh, they've thrown that out there. 18:05 Now they've been released a document dump today. 18:08 I, my team is sort of going through millions of files, millions of files. 18:13 Did you see? 18:14 And then there's reports. 18:15 So then they clearly went to friendly reporters. 18:20 And so there's already like a Fox News digital story. 18:23 DOJ clears Trump of any wrongdoing. 18:26 Oh, okay. 18:28 Sure. 18:28 JVL Again. 18:28 Sarah Longwell We trust you guys. 18:30 JVL Remarkable. 18:31 Sarah Longwell Remarkable. 18:33 JVL It's all... 18:35 It makes me very mad. 18:36 I'm sort of in a very angry place right now. 18:39 I don't know about you. 18:40 Maybe you are as well. 18:44 I'm also mad about... 18:47 I mean, this is like the worst. 18:48 This is stuff I don't care about. 18:49 This is the media stuff. 18:51 So I wrote today, and you have not read it because it just came out. 18:55 Sarah Longwell But I promise I will. 18:58 JVL Yeah, that's okay. 18:59 But about CBS News and The Washington Post. 19:02 Because what you have is the Washington Post and CBS News being turned into, I mean, the CBS News just being turned into state media. 19:12 And the Washington Post is being hollowed out from the inside while they attempt to just hire more and more MAGA-friendly opinion people. 19:23 And in both cases, the stated reason is economics. 19:29 is, well, I mean, we're just, we're not doing so well. 19:32 And so we've got to do this to make, I mean, just a matter of dollars and cents. 19:37 And yet in both cases, the results of these moves have caused economic calamity. 19:43 And so in 2024, when Bezos attempted the beginning of this repossessioning of the post, the post lost $100 million. 19:53 It has not been reported what their 2025 losses are, 19:56 But I would bet a watch that they are more than 125 million because their daily paid circulation in 2020 was 250,000 and was 97,000 by the middle of this year. 20:14 Sarah Longwell Yet they're destroying one of the great institutional publications in this country. 20:21 JVL Right. 20:22 And then using the failure of their initiatives as justification to do more of them. 20:29 And over at CBS, CBS Evening News, where we have the salute to Marco Rubio and the softball 20 minutes with Pete Hegseth and asking Scott Besson, what are your favorite breakfast foods? 20:42 Sarah Longwell Oh, you drink Dr. Pepper at breakfast? 20:44 Oh, how adorable. 20:45 How humanizing of you. 20:47 JVL Their ratings are down 20% year over year. 20:49 20%! 20:53 I thought this was all about economics. 20:56 I thought these were all business decisions. 20:59 Huh. 21:00 And it is so maddening. 21:02 And this is what I was writing about. 21:06 It would be fine if they just said, like, we don't fucking care about the money. 21:10 This is our ideological project. 21:11 We think Trump is right. 21:13 And we're going to support MAGA and what they're trying to do to America. 21:16 Just say that. 21:18 Just say it. 21:19 Sarah Longwell How many millions of dollars did Bezos spend on the Melania? 21:23 JVL I can tell you this. 21:26 So Bezos spent at least 80 million. 21:29 So he spent 35 million on marketing, $35 million on marketing. 21:35 He spent 40 million to buy the rights. 21:38 Now, do you know why he had to spend $40 million to buy the rights at the auction? 21:43 Because the second place bid was for $14 million. 21:48 And so he had to come way over the top with 40. 21:52 And then he spent it. 21:54 Sarah Longwell I can promise you a lot of reporters with that. 21:59 I can't do the math. 22:00 Twenty seven million dollars. 22:01 JVL Yeah. 22:02 So he spent at least five million on the on the production, probably more. 22:07 So all in all, when you when you back out the mouth and how much this thing needs to open to about twenty eight million dollars this weekend, it's probably going to open to like seven. 22:18 So it's going to lose tons and tons of money. 22:21 Well, but they don't care because it's never about the money, right? 22:26 It's not really about the money. 22:27 And they just keep lying about it. 22:28 And that's what drives me crazy. 22:31 And in a weird way, like, just give me Donald Trump because the other big news was yesterday you saw that he filed a $10 billion lawsuit against the IRS. 22:44 Sarah Longwell Sure. 22:45 JVL The people he appointed will decide whether or not to settle 22:51 or pay that, or fight it. 22:54 And if they aren't going to do what he wants, he'll fire them. 22:59 And Trump himself is at least honest about this. 23:02 So back in October, when he filed his complaint, his $230 million complaint against the Justice Department, I think, he was like, yeah, it's kind of weird that I'm the one who gets to okay whether or not they pay me. 23:13 But there it is. 23:16 Like, at least he'll just say it. 23:18 unlike the rest of them who, who they're doing the same thing. 23:22 They're just going after the money, but they cloak it in. 23:25 Oh, well, you know, I just, we just gotta be fair. 23:30 We got to rebuild trust. 23:33 Fucking people. 23:34 Oh, yeah. 23:35 Sarah Longwell I'm very salty for that. 23:36 Here's what grinds my gears about it is the free speech stuff. 23:40 Like, Elon Musk and all these self-serving free speech types who said, like, this is how it was. 23:47 We are free speech absolutists. 23:49 And they're like, but yeah. 23:50 JVL Have never been. 23:51 Sarah Longwell Throw Don Lemon in jail. 23:53 JVL Yeah. 23:54 You and I were all over this, or at least I was. 23:58 But like I, you know, back when they were calling themselves, I was like, this is bullshit. 24:02 Why is anybody giving? 24:03 And, you know, but there New York Times was dutifully giving Barry her applause. 24:08 Well, you know, she just cares a lot about for you. 24:10 Like, no, no, it was always bullshit. 24:13 It's just about power and money. 24:15 It's what it's always been. 24:16 Who, whom? 24:18 It's the same as it was during the fucking Stalin era. 24:23 Is there anything happy to talk about? 24:25 I'm sorry. 24:26 I'm just in a bad, bad place. 24:28 Everything's going bad. 24:30 Got to have something for me. 24:34 Something good. 24:35 Here, I'm going to open up. 24:36 We didn't invade Greenland. 24:39 We didn't invade Greenland. 24:43 Sarah Longwell Canada's safe for now. 24:44 I don't know. 24:47 JVL Canada is safe for now. 24:49 He didn't appoint Scott... What's his face? 24:54 Not Scott, but Kevin... Hassett. 24:57 Sarah Longwell Kevin Hassett. 24:58 JVL To the Federal Reserve Board. 24:59 So Kevin Hassett wakes up having had his dreams dashed this morning. 25:08 That's okay. 25:10 I could take that. 25:13 Greg Bovino, still humiliated. 25:15 No? 25:16 Sarah Longwell Yeah, I mean, I guess this is where... 25:19 I think I was arguing this on the next level, or at least my initial impression was, like, it's good, right? 25:24 It's good to get Bavina out of there. 25:26 But, like, Holman, I just... 25:28 This is where this administration sort of puts you in this insane place where it's like... 25:34 is the guy who took the bribe in the kava bag, uh, who like is also corrupt, um, and still, you know, still working at the behest of Stephen Miller. 25:48 Like, is that better than, 25:51 than Bovino, like by some inches. 25:55 And like the best thing about the Bovino thing was it was that Trump had to blink in the face of public opinion. 26:03 But, you know, they recalibrated pretty quickly, I think, and decided that they could use that second video to 26:12 of Alex Preddy and just go back on offense and be like, no, we're going to say that they're paid agitators, domestic terrorists. 26:20 You know, we're not going to care about public opinion on this, which isn't which is public opinion is public. 26:28 is turning against them. 26:30 You know, the public opinion on ICE, I mean, is in the toilet. 26:36 Independents have completely collapsed on this. 26:38 More people want to abolish ICE than want it to remain. 26:44 But they have decided they're going to continue to go on offense. 26:47 JVL Hey, I have more bad news for you. 26:50 Catherine O'Hara just died. 26:54 Sarah Longwell Catherine O'Hara from Schitt's Creek? 26:57 JVL And from everything, from the Chris Guest movies, from I think she starred in SCTV. 27:02 Unbelievably funny woman. 27:04 Just an absolutely comedic genius. 27:06 Why? 27:06 Sarah Longwell She's not even that old. 27:07 JVL She's not that old. 27:12 She's 72. 27:13 Sarah Longwell Oh, my God. 27:14 JVL Am I doing the math on this right? 27:16 Yeah. 27:17 72. 27:18 Sarah Longwell What did she die of? 27:19 JVL I don't know. 27:20 I'm just looking at the feed and there's a thing from the bulwark. 27:25 Sarah Longwell I love Catherine O'Hara. 27:28 JVL Everybody loves Catherine O'Hara. 27:30 Sarah Longwell She was so funny. 27:31 She's great. 27:33 Home Alone Mom. 27:38 She was in Beetlejuice. 27:41 She was the best. 27:42 Schitt's Creek, one of my all-time favorite shows. 27:45 JVL Are you a Chris Guest person? 27:47 Do you like Chris Guest movies? 27:48 Sarah Longwell Yeah, I mean, not a Chris Guest person in that I like, I've seen all of them, but I don't go around quoting, you know, turn it up to 11 or whatever. 28:04 JVL Well, boy, this is the best show we've ever done, isn't it? 28:06 Best in Show is a great movie. 28:07 Best in Show is a tremendous movie. 28:12 Here, I'll share a little, I'll share a funny with you. 28:14 Would you like something a little funny? 28:18 Sarah Longwell Yeah, please. 28:20 JVL So, uh, I, I used to be friends with Larry Miller, the command I used to be, I mean, like I am still friends with Larry Miller, but I just haven't spoken with him in a long time. 28:29 Um, phenomenally funny, uh, actor and comedian and writer. 28:36 And, uh, 28:38 He and I, I mean, I would just like ask him all sorts of like, you know, movie nerd questions. 28:44 And one day we were hanging out. 28:47 I was asking what it's like to be on the set of the Chris guest movies, because it's all of these comedians, like everybody who's in these movies, Bob Balban, Michael McKeon, um, Catherine O'Hara. 29:01 They're all so fucking funny. 29:04 And I was, I was like, who's the funniest? 29:07 And he didn't even hesitate. 29:09 He said, it's Fred Willard. 29:12 He said, Fred Willard is the one who constantly makes everybody else laugh. 29:17 Like all the other comedians. 29:19 Who's that? 29:19 Sarah Longwell Which one's he? 29:20 JVL How do you sort of like a big guy? 29:24 He older, but handsome and often plays like a clueless, slightly, uh, skeevy kind of guy. 29:34 No, 29:36 Sarah Longwell I mean, I don't know. 29:37 You'd have to give me the movie. 29:38 JVL What happened? 29:40 In A Mighty Wind, he's a what happened guy. 29:44 People who know Fred Willard will enjoy that. 29:48 And I think Larry told me that Catherine O'Hara was like the close second. 29:52 Well, this is a banger show. 29:53 I'm sorry. 29:53 I don't know what to do. 29:54 Like we're sort of out of rhythm because we went late and everything is terrible. 29:59 And I'm just sort of in a not awesome place to begin with. 30:02 And maybe I'll just like stop it here. 30:07 Sarah Longwell Yeah, we might need to call it just because I want to go look through these Epstein files. 30:13 But I'm going to be on with Sam this weekend. 30:16 We're going to continue our coverage, guys. 30:21 And I guess we'll just end where we started, which is we're going to be in Minneapolis tomorrow. 30:29 hope if you're there you'll come see us we're making tickets super cheap and all the proceeds are going to like JBL said to to feed people in the community so yeah please come oh you know what I wanted to ask you did you get a pinball machine oh my god I did a pinball machine I did it's coming tomorrow you did yeah all this guy does is text me about this pinball machine you're on the clock Sarah wizard it has to be a trick 30:58 JVL I found a guy, a local guy who does pinball restoration and dealing. 31:03 His name is Vince. 31:06 Because, of course, in Jersey, he's a Vincent. 31:10 And he's got a great machine. 31:12 It's a Deadpool premium. 31:14 And G-Money loved it. 31:17 Went crazy when he saw this thing. 31:19 Was playing it and getting a multi-ball. 31:22 And I was like, let's do this. 31:24 Let's light this candle. 31:26 And Vince gave me a great deal on the machine. 31:30 Great deal. 31:30 I can't wait to have it. 31:31 I'm going to have it in my office. 31:33 I might even have it like right behind us so that when we tape, you can see it. 31:37 And I just feel like according to the rules of our pact, you have 10 days to acquire a pinball machine of your own. 31:44 Sarah Longwell Is that how the pact works? 31:46 JVL I think we made a pact. 31:48 Sarah Longwell No, there's not a pact. 31:49 No. 31:50 What happened was you did this to me last time. 31:52 I ended up with a Peloton that my kids use as a jungle gym. 31:56 JVL See, so it worked out great for you. 31:58 Sarah Longwell I didn't do that. 32:00 JVL Your kids have an indoor jungle gym. 32:02 Sarah Longwell Use it all the time. 32:03 JVL Your kids have an indoor jungle gym. 32:04 It's all been fantastic. 32:07 I'm so excited to play this pinball machine. 32:09 I can't even tell you. 32:10 And you know what? 32:11 I got to say, I was helped by the Bulwark community because a couple people from the Bulwark community found me on Pinside and messaged me. 32:21 And one of them in particular, Mike, has been enormously helpful. 32:25 Thank you, Mike. 32:26 And really Sherpa'd me through this whole thing. 32:30 So I would not have guessed that we would have a lot of pinheads in our audience. 32:36 But there we are. 32:36 It's kind of exciting. 32:38 There we are. 32:39 Kind of amazing. 32:41 Sarah Longwell We have all kinds of people, although an enormous number of doctors who do, you know, remind us when we accidentally use medical disinformation. 32:53 JVL Not as many as I would like us to have. 32:55 I wish we had one more doctor in this community. 32:59 That's great. 33:00 Sarah Longwell I don't understand what you mean. 33:02 JVL Me. 33:02 I'm saying I would have liked to have gone to medical school. 33:04 Oh, you. 33:04 Sarah Longwell You wish you were a doctor. 33:06 You're close enough, man. 33:07 1 16th a doctor. 33:09 Practically a surgeon. 33:10 JVL Right at the cusp. 33:12 All right, guys. 33:13 Short show, angry show. 33:16 That's where we are. 33:17 And I guess I'll say it, even though people keep asking in the comments, and you will notice my studious non-answers. 33:26 Rebecca? 33:26 Sarah Longwell It'll come back. 33:27 JVL Take us home.